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Heel Turn
John Cena's monumental heel turn takes center stage as Chaps, Big O, and Dean break down what they're calling "one of the greatest five minutes in wrestling history." While Chaps celebrates this perfectly executed moment that had him literally standing on his couch in anticipation, Big O offers a more measured take, revealing this turn was potentially 13 years in the making dating back to Cena's first WrestleMania match against The Rock.
The conversation shifts into fantasy booking territory as the hosts map out potential storylines leading to WrestleMania and beyond. Will Cena become a "corporate champion" for The Rock? Could WWE legends like Alex Riley return to settle old scores? The hosts craft elaborate scenarios that would bring Cena's illustrious career full circle, potentially concluding at a special event in Boston later this year.
A heated discussion erupts when the topic turns to Pat McAfee's controversial comments about Canadian fans booing the American national anthem. While condemning the death threats McAfee received, Chaps expresses disappointment in McAfee's failure to understand the political context behind the protest. The segment highlights the complex intersection of sports, entertainment, and international relations, especially amid recent trade tensions between the US and Canada.
The episode wraps with hilarious parenting stories that reveal the hosts' personal lives behind the microphone, comparing the chaos of raising boys versus the challenges of raising girls. Whether you're a wrestling fan, sports enthusiast, or just looking for some real talk among friends, this episode delivers unfiltered perspectives on the week's biggest moments.
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Speaker 2:Uh, I, you know I went to the Calgary stampede and like 96 or 98 and I got myself a cowboy hat and uh, I think I wore it that summer.
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Speaker 4:Chaps has no tongue.
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Speaker 1:Welcome to another episode of the no Instructions Needed podcast. I screwed up the music here at the start, so yeah, it's playing twice, so just get the fuck used to it. I haven't done this in a while. I tried to get real fancy there at the end and I forgot to do it. So, anyways, I think I sent it to the Wild, wild West last time, so let's go into the East with the Beast. Mr Big O, how the fuck are you?
Speaker 2:You know, I'm good. You know we haven't done this show this often since like 2021, it seems like. So I think we'll let you off the hook. Big episode today NHL deadline, tv shows, movies, tariffs, and obviously we're going to talk about the biggest heel turn in sports history. Before we do that, let's talk about the man who's going to loosen up just a little bit tonight, maybe spill a little bit of info.
Speaker 3:Maybe get a little loose with the lips.
Speaker 2:Sing some ships Big D on the West Coast. How you doing, brother?
Speaker 4:Good, good to see you, fellas. I only have one canned libation, so I don't think that the lips will get too loose, but we'll see. You know, maybe one's all I need. We are back Second time in two weeks, three weeks, we did two weeks ago. So we had a week off scheduling conflicts. We're trying to be better and so far, so good. And what do you want to talk about today? Chaps, I'm going to defer to you like they win football and his name is john cena.
Speaker 3:Listen, I am a wrestling geek I am a nerd.
Speaker 1:I fully respect and understand that not is not for everybody. I have not stopped watching it. I've tried multiple times. I'm addicted to it. I can't stop, won't stop, and now that it's on Netflix it's so much easier too Legitimately the greatest five minutes in my wrestling. Watching history that's the way I view it. I truthfully believe that watching history that's the way I view I. I truthfully believe that I I that heel turn was so perfectly done in every single way. And you got sean sap out there saying, oh, they just did this on the fly. You got fucking stupid dave ass dumbass melter saying oh yeah, this was never in the like. Fuck all those guys. This has been planned for like a year, almost guaranteed Triple H doesn't do anything off the Hilter Kilter. I absolutely love the Hilter. I thought it was crazy. I thought it was amazing. I was a nerd. I was standing on my coach. I like that whole as soon as Cena as soon as Cody Rhodes says go fuck yourself to the rock.
Speaker 1:I'm standing on my coach. Nope, nope. Says go fuck yourself to the rock. I'm standing on my coach. Nope, nope. I swear to christ, stand, if he's real standing on my coach and I look what's your problem?
Speaker 3:I look at my wife. I'm like, oh, my fucking hockey talk. God, fucking sita is about to turn heel.
Speaker 1:And my wife looks at me she's like what are you talking about? What is like what do you mean? I'm like just leave it he's going to be a bad guy in like 30 seconds.
Speaker 2:Just support me, bree. Just support me For once. Just support me. I need a hug. I need a hug. This is crazy shit. I'm surprised you were able to hug Bree without, you know, having a fourth child based on how probably bricked up.
Speaker 2:You were I mean okay, no surprise, we're going to be honest here. I in the group chat said not as impressed with kind of how it happened. Now, listen, I will push back on one thing. You said this was a year in the making. What if I told you this was 13 years in the making Because John Cena's heel turn was actually supposed to take place?
Speaker 2:John Cena Rock 1 WrestleMania back in I think it was 2012 might have been the first time that they fought and that was the original time that John Cena was actually supposed to turn heel. This is is definitely, like you know, during his heyday, probably at his peak, where he was actually wrestling. You know 48, 49 weeks of the year. And listen, I'm not mad at the heel turn because I think that you know it's really cool. It's kind of like this is his farewell tour. It's something he's never done. It's something that he went on record about years ago saying if I were to do it, I want to do it right. No problems with John Cena turning heel. I think it's going to be great how it fucking went down. I could do with that.
Speaker 2:This bullshit the Rock pulled out of his fucking ass with his like you know, he slid his throat, went up to his eyeball, wiped his eye and then kind of threw it at Cody Rhodes. I was not about that. It's going to mean something, though, of course it's going to mean something. The same way he threw up the 1-2-3 with Solo Sakoa after Bad Blood. Like you know, there was just all of these things they after Bad Blood, all of these things, they mean something.
Speaker 2:Triple H, the Rock they don't miss. They play chess. They don't play checkers I think they might be playing Chinese checkers at this point or fucking 3D chess, because they are above and beyond on this one. Again, I think this is going to be cool. I think the next few months this is going to cool. I think the next, like you know, a few months, this is gonna be one of the most exciting times for wrestling fans to kind of get into the biz and see how this is gonna play out. But fuck man, I really thought the rock was super corny with that bullshit. Cody rhodes, hey rock, go, fuck yourself easily. Top five moment I think of of wrestling, arguably top two moment of sorry. Top three moment of the netflix era dean, be the tie break, but go with the shock and awe and not the stupidity of the rock my opinion is not that relevant here, because I don't really watch wrestling anymore.
Speaker 4:I get most of my information from the one and only Chaps. Honestly, I would have thought that John Cena would have been healed at least once in his career before this. I'm not up to date on his career arc per se. However, it is cool and you know now that it is on Netflix. I don't know why I don't watch it. I do have a subscription. I'm a subscriber, but I think it'll make for a cool storyline up until WrestleMania Kind of cap off his farewell tour. I'm not that invested. I'm going to go with my boy Chaps. I always think it's one of the greatest people who's ever.
Speaker 4:He looks like an old catcher's mitt. Now John Cena Like a jacked old catcher's mitt.
Speaker 3:Yeah, his face is not able to guess.
Speaker 4:Well, yeah, he's probably got some Botox in there, I'm assuming. Still jacked, still a body I emulate to have. But I like chips too much and yeah, I think it'll be cool. I like Cody Rhodes. When I went to wrestling back in November and Cody Rhodes wasn't in the card I was so disappointed. But I had a good time, several beers and yeah, I don't know If going to an actual pay-per-view Didn't pique my interest To kind of get back into it. I don't know what will. That was a good pay-per-view too.
Speaker 4:It was. It was cool, but chaps didn't come with me, so I was a bit buttered about that all right, you gotta come fuck that I was a bit upset I have a thing called job.
Speaker 1:I just can't leave to go to saturday yes, it's true, it was a saturday, it was our christmas party. Wouldn't look good if I wasn't there. But my eyes look unbelievably phenomenal right now. I don't know why I look like a fucking stud right now. Sorry, listen, in all seriousness, I think, thank you.
Speaker 1:I think that Usually I'm a five, so I'm a six, but I think it's top five, best pay-per-view of my lifetime. I truthfully believe that, from start to finish, I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Every match is amazing. Uh, I'm not all about stars, I'm about how many times I stood. I stand up. I stood up during every match, but the trish stratus, tifty strat match, I stood up because trish strass big part of my, uh, my coming of age hood Boobs, puppies, puppies. But yeah, listen, it was phenomenal and I doubt anyone that's listened to this podcast will even watch. They have no idea what we're talking about.
Speaker 1:It is one of the coolest things I've ever seen live in my life, like, just live watching it. It's like a top 10 sporting moment for me in my watching of sports history. Like, truthfully, the heel turn specifically itself just because it went from when I was whatever 12, when Cena first got in to the WWE, when he came out and wrestled Kurt Angle and he's like ruthless aggression and he was a good guy. And then there was Thuganomics and all that crap and now it's just I just know how good he's going to do with this. I loved it. I loved every single second of it and it reinvigorated me more into the behind the scenes stuff with wrestling. This is like the third time Dean's got up to go take a pee pee.
Speaker 2:You got to drain the main vein, man.
Speaker 1:That thing can't run full, big, big bang the drain.
Speaker 2:That thing can't run full, otherwise it could create a flood somewhere.
Speaker 2:so let's map this out, chaps, because there's a couple ways that this could go, as we lead into what will likely be maybe the end of night one of wrestlemania, or, arguably, just the main event of night two. Where do you see this going? Now? We're not great on our predictions. We talked about what we thought could have been like one of the greatest storyline endings, with sammy zane many years ago beating roman reigns at wrestlemania, because that was kind of setting it up. We saw it kind of coming, didn't happen the way we thought it was going to happen. But where do you think this sort of ends when we kind of know that the end is here for John Cena, we have an expiration date? How does this end? Because in my opinion it does not end with John Cena remaining heel, but that's my tease. Where do you see this going as we count down to WrestleMania, and how does WrestleMania kind of finish this career of John Cena?
Speaker 1:Okay. So he's not finishing at WrestleMania, he's finishing 10 months from now. He finishes in the new year, so that's the first thing. He'll finish at a pay-per-view called ruthless aggression, sometime in december. That will be his last, his last date. How, how I think it's going to go, or how I'm going to book it, which one do you want? Give me both.
Speaker 3:Give me both, okay so how I know we got?
Speaker 1:time. How I think it's going to go is he is going to be the rocks bitch essentially for this. He's going to win the championship at WrestleMania 41. He's going to win it as a heel and he's going to defend it as a corporate champion for like five or six months and then after five or six months you're going to see him start cracking from the Rock and it's going to create problems between him and the Rock and eventually he'll turn on the Rock and he'll become a face again and he'll turn on the Rock and he'll become a face again and he'll have his last match against.
Speaker 1:I think they'll build Cody back up to be unstoppable. I think Cody beats him at Ruthless Aggression. One, two, three gets the championship back, and that's how I think they're going to do it. How I would do it, I'd have him win the championship and then I'd have him remain heel for as long as humanly possible, almost probably till the last month. So you're leading up to ruthless aggression and he I would have him squash people, like put like put damian priest in with her, have him squash him in like five, just piss everyone off as much as you possibly can, and then I would slow, then I would turn him. I would turn him face when he turns on the rock. I, the second last pay-per-view before he retires. If it's summer slam or survivor, it's probably gonna be survivor series. So at survivor series, rock versus cena, have cena beat the rock with a face turn, hold on A face turn, okay. And then at Ruthless Aggression I believe that's what they're going to call it. His last ever match, his last pay-per-view will be in Boston. It'll be a thing Cody Rhodes versus him. He's about to beat Cody Rhodes and then you get a if you smell, comes from the crowd.
Speaker 1:Cody Rhodes turns on John Cena and retires John Cena as a heel. And that is what I would do 100%. I would retire John Cena as a heel Now. That could take away from the retirement, because that won't look good. He'll get overshined. But the thing about Cena is he's so giving back to the business. He knows that that moment of Cody Rhodes turning on him, it will be perfect, it will be absolutely perfect. So that's what I would do. Will that happen? No, but that's exactly what I would do.
Speaker 2:So what match are you booking for WrestleMania? Are you going to do just straight up Cody one-on-one with John Cena? Are we going to get that tag match again? Are we going to get the Rock? Main eventing on night. One again no.
Speaker 1:Rock won't wrestle. He can't. His insurance is too expensive right now because he's got that Scorsese movie coming up, so I don't think they're going to let him wrestle. So what I would do is I would like to see CM Punk somehow get involved in all this. I would do a whole summer of CM Punk chasing Cena too, like a heel Cena and a face CM Punk.
Speaker 1:You could do like three or four pay-per-views like that while you're heating up, cody, and that's what I would do is, but I think you could put. You could put CM Punk in the main event. I don't know how you get there other than with that favor that Paul Heyman owes him, so you could use that, I guess, but it's kind of hokey-dorky, I don't know. I would just do it straight up those two. I would actually have Cena beat him with no interference, no, nothing With brass knucks maybe, or something like that, like a callback from back in the day. I think the more interesting thing for me, though, is what's he wearing? He's not going to wear jorts. Is he going to shave his head? He's bald, he's bald.
Speaker 2:I'm just hoping that he can learn to run, because that was bad the last time we saw him run down the ramp.
Speaker 4:Not great. Well, those muscles are just too big man, they get in the way. Okay, so here's a question for Chaps. You have all these old bowls coming back to a little bit of a nostalgia tour. What do you think the chances are we see dave batista?
Speaker 1:I'd say zero. I would say zero. I think he's done, I think he's. He's done, done, I'm done. Yeah, I think, I think. I think he's done, he. He came out and had an interview during one of his recent movies done?
Speaker 2:I think he's done. He came out and had an interview during one of his recent movies and he said that he's like I'm not coming back. I would never come back because I went out on my own terms, I think for him, who loved the business. He's also 60 pounds lighter than he was when he was wrestling. He's a skinny boy. He talked about being able to do what he what he loved doing, and going out on his terms, so I don't I find it very hard for him to come back. Um, that being said, chaps, what would be like, what would be the equivalent of what we saw at wrestlemania last year? Like we saw pretty much everyone and their grandma come out from you know the undertaker to John Cena. To like how many? What could we see in store? Could we see Roman Reigns come to the defense of Cody Rhodes?
Speaker 1:No, not yet. I wouldn't do that yet. Like, if you're talking about me, I wouldn't do that yet. You gotta, you gotta heat Roman back up. Yeah, he's hot, he's Roman Reigns, I get all that sort of shit, but you still got to heat him up a bit to to do that. He hasn't done much recently. I think that if you're going to make like a gimmick match out of it, I would do a I and then, yeah, I would try to pull.
Speaker 4:You know what I would do. Oh my god, this just came to you.
Speaker 1:It did. It literally just did. If. Do you guys know who Alex Riley is? See, I think this is too inside baseball. Alex Riley was the Miz's lackey for a long period of time and Alex Riley got fired from the WWE because John Cena told Vince McMahon to fire him Legitimately. This is a real-life, actual beef.
Speaker 1:I would bring Cena yeah, I know my TV's not going, canucks just scored Wicked. But I would bring Sina. I would bring yeah, I know my TV is not going, canucks just scored wicked. Um. But I would bring Elias. Oh, did he score finally? I think so. Yeah, finally Jesus.
Speaker 1:But I would bring Alex Riley back and somehow get involved with it. Like, if you could hit, I would have the Miz in intercept, like come in there and try to help out. Uh, I would have the Miz intercept like come in there and try to help out John Cena. And then I'd have Alex Riley come in there and help, like that's one name, I'd pull out of the bag for sure. You'd have to give him a fuck ton of money. Those two hate each other.
Speaker 1:But you can, you know, you bring the regular guys CM Punk, randy Orton and then to help out John Cena, you could bring out obviously, obviously the rock if he's allowed to wrestle. I don't think he is. Uh, you know, your your old school heels like uh, whoever you, you stone cold, will come back for the for. Uh, we'll come back for cody as well. He's already kind of said that, but yeah, I'm kind of struggling with heels right now. And who I'd bring back? Cena beat so many people right, like he just beat everybody over and over and over and over again. But Alex Riley coming back to help out Cody Rhodes against John Cena, that place would go fucking nuts Like it would blow the dust in Rhodes. Bring out Cody's brother.
Speaker 3:I think you could do that too.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, but you have to have people come. You know what would be cool if kevin nash came out and helped out john cena, like because he's kind of going nwo almost. And you know, like, oh, I'm dead serious, you could bring out hulk hogan, because hulk hogan, everyone hates him now anyways right yeah, but he's gonna get booed right like you could bring him out.
Speaker 1:He's old, I get it, but you got to bring out people who people hate and who they associate john cena with. They associate him with being hulk hogan. They associate him with being like kevin nash or uh or whatever, like guys like that hunter. If hunter could do another another go like he's the one in control of everything, he's creative control, that'd be wicked. See hunter come out there too. Uh, it would just vince mcmahon. If you could ever get vince mcmahon out there.
Speaker 3:No, think about it right, like, like that would be fucking nuts coming out to help cena.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, that would just let's bring, let's bring vince russo back, let's just do that let's just do vince russo, yeah, but vince russo didn't do anything with cena, right, like like you gotta bring people back that were like that.
Speaker 1:So like Hogan and Nash, probably not, but I would definitely get Alex Riley involved like 100%. I think that would be a phenomenal. Wade Barrett I'd bring Wade Barrett into it because Cena screwed over Wade Barrett a bunch. I think that would be someone I would bring into it for sure. He's been around 20 years. He can bring anyone, literally anyone. The Hurricane the Hurricane?
Speaker 2:Oh my lord, would you be down for six months of John Cena going back to the Doctor of Thuganomics and starting to wrap his way back into the ring?
Speaker 4:I would be down.
Speaker 2:I would be down for the wardrobe changes.
Speaker 3:He's going to toast everyone on the microphone. I would love that I wardrobe changes. He's going to toast everyone on the microphone. I would love that.
Speaker 2:I think that for me, get me back on board, but for those who are not familiar with his game may not appreciate it as much as maybe we would. I think that would be dope Dean. What do you want to see? What would you like to see happen? Would you like to see Pat McAfee apologize toadians properly because, uh, he was a little bit rude to uh the torontonians, uh back at the latest pay-per-view. But what are your thoughts here?
Speaker 2:well, you have to give me some more context, jules, so pat mcafee really got deep into the Four Nations Cup, ordered some American suits that he planned on wearing in Toronto. Unfortunately, it did not work out as well for good old Pat McAfee because the US lost in overtime again on the biggest stage of hockey, again to the poster boy of Canadian hockey, again, just like back in 2010. So when they came and they had their pay-per-view for the Elimination Chamber when the American National Anthem played, due to the atrocious president of the United States of America, the Canadians naturally continued to boo the National Anthem. That did not sit well with Pat McAfee. He made some comments about why are you booing us as a nation? He did not have the understanding to know that it wasn't the US, but the president who represents the country is the reason why they were booing.
Speaker 2:He had some choice words and then ultimately proceeded to receive death threats Not just him, but I do believe his child unfortunately received them as well, which we obviously do not back whatsoever, even death threats towards Pat. Come on, now grow up people. It's not that big of a deal. Situations where, um, you know, athletes, figureheads, tv personalities have an opinion and then receive like death threats, like what? What do you? What do you think should people just calm down, like it's not that big of a deal, or is this where patriotism just kind of jumps to the next level?
Speaker 4:that, like, I was leaning on the side of apologize While you were saying the story and then I heard about Death threats. That were me, I wouldn't Apologize, especially when it comes to a child. Uh, that that's crossing so many Lines. It's not crossing a Line, is crossing hundreds of lines. So, no, if I were him, I wouldn't. Um, everyone's entitled To an opinion. Obviously, tensions are High right now trade so, no, if I were him, I wouldn't.
Speaker 4:Everyone's entitled to their opinion. Obviously, tensions are high right now. Trade war you know I'm down a lot of doll hairs on the old stock market recently. Hopefully it all gets resolved in the near term. But yeah, once you threaten people over, you know their beliefs's and obviously they're going to side with their home country. Right, no one in canada is saying, yeah, let's, let's do this, this is a good idea, right it's? You know you look up to your leaders, you follow them, if that's who you voted for, if that's who you believe in, and people have a right to voice their opinion, if they do it respectfully. Uh, I don't know if it was done respectfully, probably not, uh. But yeah, that's too much for me. So I would just not apologize and, uh, you know, I probably would consider it and then, once the threats came in, I would say screw that, that would be my stance. And yeah, that is Too far and I get it.
Speaker 1:Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4:No, I get it, people are patriots. You know, canada especially Is in a bit of a state of flux right now, essentially leaderless, getting kind of Taken to, the cleaners Put through the ringer. Whatever kind of euphem, the cleaners put through the ringer. Whatever kind of euphemism you want to use. Intentions are high and I get it, but even booing the anthem, I think, is a bit not cool.
Speaker 3:All right, that's my final thought.
Speaker 1:I agree with you about like the. Obviously the death threats and shit like that are annoying. I mean that's just fucking stupid, so people gotta stop doing that. I would imagine a guy like pat mcfee receives death threats every single day. I mean, that's just yeah. Probably that's just part of it. He acted and I love pat. I'm wearing a pat mcfee shirt right now. I love pat mcfee. He is like I. I love him. I'm wearing a Pat McAfee shirt right now. I love Pat McAfee. He is like I love him.
Speaker 1:I have not listened to his show once since he said the things about Canada that he said. I think what he said was way over the line and he has no fucking clue what he's talking about and he needs to keep his big fucking mouth shut. I truthfully think that he's sitting there yapping off oh, they're booing our flag, grabbing his dick, while they're saying that they're booing the national anthem and shit Like oh, I got friends in the military, motherfucker, I got friends in the military too, in the US military. We're not booing that, we're booing the fact that you guys have went to war against Canada. That's what you've done, and if you can't, if your simple mind can't understand that, then you don't deserve my attention for three hours a day to listen to your show. Will I come back to it? Yeah, I will eventually. I mean it's not going to be like a year long thing for me, like I'll come back. But he was very disrespectful because he does, he doesn't. He gets to sit there in his $10 million house and his $30 million a year contract with ESPN and and has no clue about what is going on. I don't think he's a Republican either. I think he actually probably voted for Kamala Harris. I truthfully do. I just think he is such that the way he reacted to a peaceful protest is atrocious.
Speaker 1:And for him to open his big fucking american mouth and say that why don't you do some research about how many times the americans have booed the canadian national anthem over sports, not over anything important, before you talk about that? Why don't you see? Why don't you? Why don't you go and read about what your president is trying to do to our country, where he calls our prime minister? I'm going to throw my cards on the table. I fucking hate Justin Trudeau. I hate him. I think he's a terrible prime minister. I think he's been useless.
Speaker 1:But that's Canada's prime minister and the president of the United States is calling him a governor and trying to annex Canada and calling us the 51st state. What do you want us to do? Do you want us to do? Do you want us to sit there and put our hand over our heart and pledge allegiance to America? Fuck, no, that's stupid. That's the. This is the only thing that Canadians can do other than banding together and not buying American products and not going to the U? S. This is one of the only things we can do to make our voices heard.
Speaker 1:So, respectfully, dean, I completely disagree with with with what you have said now. The kid stuff and people threatening his family yeah, those, those people should be. Actually. I'm happy he posted the name and stuff because that guy should be in jail, he should be arrested and, uh, and that's that's. That's just stupid. It's not like pat is is trying to. It's not like pat mcAfee is doing this himself. But he needs to take ownership of what he said.
Speaker 1:And you know, what I was almost more mad at was his apology than I was at what he did, because in the moment you think he could just be a wrestling heel and, like you know, kind of playing it up a bit for the crowd, but his apology, his attempt of apology at Canada was worse than the actual action for me. So when I seen that, I decided not to watch this weekend again. It doesn't really matter. I mean, he's still probably had 50,000 people on YouTube that watched every single day, so it's not like it's a big deal. But, yeah, I was disappointed. I was disappointed in the guy that that, quite frankly, I look up to and that helps me through a lot of not anxiety but a lot of stress in my life. He helps me through it. And uh, yeah, I severely disappointed would be an understatement of how I felt about pac mack that that night and, more specifically, his apology to canada yeah, I mean, you go back and you look at, uh, colin kaepernick, when he was kneeling during the American National Anthem.
Speaker 2:A lot of pundits understood the reason that it wasn't an attack on the military. It wasn't an attack on these people. It was their way to peacefully protest what they believed to be atrocities faced by a certain group of individuals who live within the United States. And you had Jerry Jones who was like you know, if you're going to be on my team, you're going to stand or you're not going to play. And then you had a lot of these. You know pundits like Stephen A Smith, I'm sure even Pat McAfee at some point was like, listen, I get that, you know, I love America, but you know I understand what they're doing. So for him to turn around and think that this was a knock on the military, that this was like a personal attack, is just so short-sighted and I truly believe that it is just complete like nonsense to just be, to not be able to see that. And you brought up some good points about how the Americans have listen, I'm not American, like you know, full transparency. I was born in California, I live in Canada, I'm a dual citizen. My patriotism, you know will go based on. You know what sport is being played, but when it comes down to, you know, disrespectful being respectful being disrespectful, I would say that nine times out of ten, it's the US that's being disrespectful towards Canada. You, nine times out of ten, it's the US that's being disrespectful towards Canada. You go back no further than 2002, hayley Wickenheiser had one of the most famous interviews post-Gold Medal game at Salt Lake City, where it was rumored to be. The Americans were stomping on the Canadian flag in the dressing room. And tell me what's more disrespectful than that? Tell me how that is less than what? Canadians who are just booing a national anthem and national anthems get literally booed all of the time but I guess for the Americans they're a little bit soft. They can protest their own national anthem when it comes to the atrocities committed by the country and the government to their own people, but when someone else does it, it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, wait a second the atrocities committed by the country and the government to their own people. But when someone else does, it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, hey, wait a second, don't be doing that to my red, white and blue flag over here. So the hypocrisy is abundant in the United States.
Speaker 2:I think to Dean's point. Obviously, getting children or family members involved in threats is just completely unnecessary. That being said, pat was out of pocket. Pat said some shit he shouldn't have. I doubt he regrets it, to be very honest, but what he has coming to him as far as backlash from media members or how his fans, especially north of the border, feel about him right now is, I think, completely warranted and I feel bad for Gumpy. Gumpy's got to sit there. He probably, you know, as the Canadian boy probably doesn't like being surrounded by.
Speaker 2:And I get personalities for the show. You know Boston Connor, diehard dude hey, listen, today your team fucking blown apart. Boston Bruins see you later. Then you got fucking Ty Schmitty Love me, some shitty Schmitty Guy shits his pants at least once a week on the show. It's hilarious. But at the same time, these national opinions, these opinions on their sorry patriotism, they just follow Pat blindly and I think you know, with some time hopefully he can, you know, say what he's got to say in order to make this right, because I do think that he was out of pocket with what he said. I'm a big Pat Maxon guy, disappointed obviously when the people you look up to, you know, lose a step or make a wrong decision. That being said, we're here for the redemption, as long as he's willing to overcome his you know himself, because his own personality is going to stand in his way of making this right. Let's see if he has it within himself, the mental fortitude to be able to come past this yeah, man, it's, it's trying times right now.
Speaker 4:And, and to chaps, this point I and I do agree with you here, chaps is a lot of people don't know what the hell they're talking about. Like, if you ask an American, like what will tariffs how they would impact them? Like they have no clue. They don't think they get shit from Canada. They do A lot of shit, right, it's. You know, it was reciprocal in the fact that they're both happening right now or for not for a month on certain things, whatever it's been able to get to the weeds of it.
Speaker 4:But a lot of people don't understand exactly what's happening. I can even say that I probably don't. But they just kind of follow blindly into this like usa versus can mentality, usa versus Mexico, and just think they're the bee's knees and that everyone else sucks. And again, they're entitled to their own opinion. But you know, if you're going to make comments on these kinds of things, like get educated, if you have a national audience, if you have a huge following, I think it's imperative that you know exactly what you're saying and how people might react to it. Right, if you just kind of say there and then again, again, I don't know the context of this exactly.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't watch, but I was like they're attacking the military. He's like, no, we're not, why? Yeah, you do your thing. Yeah, you do your thing. But you I, I can show respect to anyone in the military. They, they risk a hell of a lot more than I do on a daily basis. But yeah, it's like if you're gonna stand on a soapbox and and make a statement, know what you're talking about. It's not that hard.
Speaker 1:Read a few articles, go back in time a little bit, see where it all started and have a clear, concise point it takes 32 seconds, like, and you can figure it out just like that, like it literally just type it on google and like, whatever I I've done dealing with with tariffs, like personally, like I like I dealt with it all week this week, and the on and off, I mean, for God's sakes, they don't even the security patrol doesn't even know how to bill for this shit. I'm not joking, it's fucking chaos, chaos, but anyways, it's a nightmare, but it's all you know. It's all in the name of uh, of negotiation, I guess I don't know. Either way, I'm kind of done with that, I'm over it. And now I see harry potter has made another casting choice that is relatively interesting, but uh, but yeah, what else? What else has happened this week? It's been a crazy day, just in general. Seahawks trade geno smith today.
Speaker 4:That was wild who do you think the new quarterback's gonna be? Chaps donald?
Speaker 1:yeah, donald, a rod um kirk, one of those three. Kirk O'Change, yeah, or Jackson Dart. They'll probably draft QB too.
Speaker 2:Do you think that DK is on his way to follow Gino out of Seattle? Or do you think this move was kind of the way to say, hey, we're going to bring in a guy now who is going to take us back to the promised land, because right now the 49ers have never been more vulnerable. The Cardinals are the cards Like. This is our time to be able to maybe get back to where we need to be. And, you know, maybe we go out and we sign newly released Joey Bosa from the Chargers after nine years and, hey, let's fucking, let's do some big things over here in Seattle. What do you think Schneid does?
Speaker 1:I think DK and Gino didn't like each other. I actually think this is part of it. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do. I'm confused as shit. I mean, lockett got released. Dk has asked for a trade. They trade Geno Smith. All of a sudden they had like negative $32 million in cap space. Now they got $65 million in cap space. Truthfully, I've never been so confused as a Seahawks fan.
Speaker 1:Usually you can see the plan. I don't see any plan right now, so I'm a little nervous about it. But uh, yeah, I think darnold is probably who's going to be in the end, just because I can see that happening, and I think they're going to try to draft, draft, uh, draft. Jackson dart is who they're going to go after and I think dk ends up staying because they don't want. They want to give the fans a reason to show up. Uh, to be honest with you, um, but yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:Uh, it was weird. I mean, the canucks didn't do anything at trade deadline today and I was like I kind of liked it to be honest with you, but uh. But then all of a sudden I look at my phone it's adam schefter, geno smith been traded. I'm like is this schefter? Is it chef d? Is this a real thing or is this fake? And I see mina kimes freaking out this is the worst trade in the history of trade. Like shut the fuck up. Like you said that last time with russell wilson. Like like it, like nobody knows anything. When, like all these mina kimes, super smart, like she knows what she's talking about, but like she doesn't at the same time, because all of them know what they're talking about. Uh, dan orlovsky knows what he's talking about, but he doesn't have a fucking clue.
Speaker 1:Like none of them know how no one knows what's going to happen here, so I don't know. I I I truthfully I'm as confused about that as I was after the last episode of severance, which I still don't understand what the fuck happened in that whatsoever. But uh, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It was confusing so don't want to switch gears from the nfl just yet, but I want to put this out there because I do want to make sure we kind of get it in. What are your thoughts on the nhl trade deadline? Ranting and gets traded again, gets a freshly minted eight-year contract averaging 12 mil a season. Panthers land land themselves. Brad Marchand you know I got to throw my Maple Leafs in there Made one trade early. It was kind of like what is this really going to do for us? But then gets Carlo at the end to kind of solidify that you know potential top pairing defense for the Maple Leafs. Who do you think obviously had won the trade deadline and who's got the highest ceiling moving forward and who ultimately lost the trade deadline? Who needs to do something and, uh, might be paying for it by remaining stagnant at this year's deadline?
Speaker 4:oh. So here are my thoughts. Uh, in terms of like, of trades, it was a bit underwhelming but it very much made up for it in the star power of that move today. So you had Rantanen, who I think taxes came into play a lot when it came into who we wanted to play for, Says, I think he saves like $4 million a year playing in Dallas rather than carolina with this new contract, something like that. Uh, because there's no state income tax in texas.
Speaker 4:Um barshawn going to florida, an already super stacked team. That's crazy. I think those are the two winners. Um marshawn is injured, as far as I know, and they got him for like, nothing like. Anthony beauvillier got traded for a second round draft pick. The canucks gave him up for nothing, pretty much, and marchand got a second round draft pick. That could be a first, which I think plays into the fact that he's hurt right now. It has to do with him playing x amount of games in the playoffs and florida making it past the second round, I believe. So I think those clearly are the two winners. I think Toronto did well. I think Winnipeg did well More under-the-radar moves, but beefing up their teams In terms of teams that needed to do something.
Speaker 4:This team's already stacked, but the golden knights always do something crazy at the trade deadline and they were standing pat. This year they got hurdle. Last year they got I called a year before that, I believe, or maybe the year before that. So they're always making moves and you expect them to make moves, but today they just stood pat, which is a bit of a different direction for them. Canucks, I don't really see the path that you could have made this team a hell of a lot better. They got a third-round draft pick for Soucy. He was good last year, he was useless this year, but you're not really going to be able to flip that for an impact player. So with them standing pat, I get it.
Speaker 4:I think they have conceded the fact a little bit that they're not going to win the Stanley Cup this year, especially with so many teams getting better. So they'll keep the cap room that they have for Susie. Use it for next year. They got a lot of people going into extended extensions next year. They can use it for that as well. So, uh, yeah, it was. It was pretty crazy tools. Their Ottawa made a big trade. I don't know if they got better by it, but it was a big trade. Um, and yeah, we'll see how it goes, but I'm and yeah, we'll see how it goes, but Florida-Dallas seems to be right now the cup final. Obviously you got to play the games, but they're looking like two of the best teams.
Speaker 1:They're stacked. Yeah, it was a weird trade deadline. I mean Marshawn going to Florida, that was neat to see. You know, the Ratanin thing's hilarious, like like I don't the tech guy, he must be a fucking nut bar, uh. But uh, yeah, I, I it was. It was just a weird trade deadline in general.
Speaker 1:Like I, I think it was overhyped. I mean, randon getting traded is nuts. Like just the fact because he just got traded, like that is relatively wild. Uh. But, like I said, the canucks fans, as usual, fucking delinquent and stupid on. Uh, on twitter, like, like if would you trade besser if they were offering you a third round pick, would you trade brock a second round pick? Would you trade brock besser for a second round pick? I wouldn't. You're one point out of a playoff spot. You get into the dance. You never know. Know what's going to happen. You never know. I mean, the Anaheim Mighty Ducks went to the Stanley Cup Final Game 7 because the JS Jager went nuts in 2002 or whatever year that was so like you just honestly never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1:So I get sick of these fans who, well, we won't make the playoffs. If they make the playoffs, it'll be back-to-back years. Like, calm the fuck down, you don't know what you're talking about. You guys don't want to be gms like like you. Like you would trade all your best players for, like, first round draft picks. You have to hit on first round draft picks. Phoenix has been rebuilding. Utah has been rebuilding for years.
Speaker 1:Uh, florida took like 15 years to get to where they're at and the only reason they got to where they asked because they traded for matthew chuck. Like, like it doesn't always work. The only one I could say that definitively worked was colorado, and look how long it took them. Like, what are we doing? So I don't know. I I just think I like I liked what the canucks did. Now I don't like how they treated their players throughout the season by sending them down to the minors and calling them back up to accrue cap space. Uh, that reeks of cheap ownership. It just does. Um, especially if you're not going to use. They have 13 million dollars in actual cap space right now. Like it's ridiculous to have that much money in actual cap space is beyond stupid. So I don't know. I all in all it was in our. The trade deadline is getting worse in the hl. It's not getting better, it's getting worse as the years no, it gets worse years go on because trades started trickling in like last week.
Speaker 4:So I I'm assuming there's kind of like a push pull from the league to like try to delay these trades, to like make the spectacle a bit more grandiose, if you will. But if I'm like a gm on my team, I'm like I'm gonna get this fucking guy right now. Why not, like I'd have him for an extra two or three games? My team would be out for an extra two or three games and that could be a difference maker. That could be difference between a home home ice advantage. That could be the difference between us getting the playoffs or not. So I, I get it. And so it's like there have been trades In the last week or so, like what Tamavay got, gord and the other guy Bjorkstant From Seattle. Some big trades have happened in the last few days, or kind of Impactful trades. I can say so it few days. Or impactful trades, I can say it does get worse.
Speaker 1:I remember side note in university when Chaps and I went together Heroes bar Thursday nights. No, no, no.
Speaker 4:It was our buddy 7-6 and Chaps, who were widely known for not getting up early, met on NHL trade deadline day. Seven, six came over to our room at like 6 am and they like had bacon and eggs and they made, made it a day of it. Uh, nothing really got moving for them until like 10. So, like I woke up at like eight, went to class, came back at 10, nothing had, but still, at the end of the day, it was a better trade deadline. Just today, stuff started happening once 10 and 11 hit or so. But yeah, I woke up that day and they had been up since 6 o'clock and I think one backup goalie had been traded. Yeah, and.
Speaker 4:I made fun of him.
Speaker 2:Listen, the trades may not have been great, but the vibes certainly were probably high, good vibes at that time.
Speaker 4:Oh, the vibes were immaculate.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was so much fun. Yeah, I mean, I did that for years. It's funny because Dean, saying I was not known for getting up early, very fair, very true, a hundred percent. The way my life has changed. And like I was not known for getting up early, very fair, very true, 100% the way my life has changed, like my alarm's 4.30 every morning, like that's what time I get up in the morning. And I will say this when we were drinking the old booze-a-holics, I would be the first motherfucker up in the morning every single time. So let's not act like I was. I didn't know how to get up because I could get as drunk as anyone, be passed out, ass out on the floor and I would be the first one up in that old 207. Let's put the cards on the table here properly.
Speaker 4:Just skip a lot of class.
Speaker 3:That's all I'm trying to say I skipped a lot of class. I paid. I'm trying to say I skipped a lot of class. Yes, I barely. I paid.
Speaker 1:I paid roughly 30 grand for education. I went to like 15 of the classes. I would say that's probably pretty relatively accurate.
Speaker 4:Yes, your roi is out of control look where you are now.
Speaker 3:Look at this. There you go. Look at this. Fucking look, I'm in a theater room in my house. I think I did okay. I think I fucking made it okay. Come on seven bedroom house. I'm going full heel right now like what are we doing? I think I did okay I was bugging you beautiful wife gorgeous.
Speaker 2:Incredibly sweet children.
Speaker 3:Two incredible kids, one asshole 66%, Not bad Buddy.
Speaker 2:I am fucking right there with you 66% awesomeness, 33%, fucking disaster.
Speaker 4:Which one's the butthole? It's always the boy. If you had to guess which one do you think the butthole? It's always the boy. If you had to guess which one, do you think the butthole is dean? Well, I don't know ari that well. So yeah, ari, I would guess that luna is pretty opinionated.
Speaker 2:Oh, how dare you whoa that's my daughter here we go, full pat mcafee coming on in three a couple years ago we were.
Speaker 4:We were driving home. I'm like oh, we're going home now, kid. She's like, this isn't your home. I was like okay that's just cool, honesty that's just.
Speaker 1:No, it works, that's just you tried honest no it works.
Speaker 3:He tried to punch Lou in the face once he tried to punch her Legitimately. There's a video of him. He cocked his fist. He thought he was going to hit her?
Speaker 2:Is this when she woke him up? Because I think I've seen this video where his reaction, his initial reaction, was like are we fighting? And then he realized it was a small child realized it was a small child.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure I was having a dream where I was fighting somebody and then she jumped on me.
Speaker 1:I was like so much fun, that was so funny. I'm sorry I didn't follow through Ari is the asshole, ari is the straight up, just terrible. Fucking loser kid.
Speaker 1:No, I obviously love Ari, but he's a bit of a problem, no doubt, about it, like he. This is the reason why I didn't want to have a boy. He's the reason why I didn't want to have. Like I knew what I was when I was from maybe 16. From 16 till I got into the trade essentially of electrical. Like there's a lot of stupid shit that I have done in my life had cops show up to our house two in the morning, my, my dad sweet talked me out of uh, maybe going behind bars for for a stint, for sure, for for a little stinty stint. But uh, yeah, I mean, like that's like the least thing, like that's, that's the only thing that they found out about chaps, I hate to break it to you, buddy, it ain't 16, it's like 12, it's 11, 12.
Speaker 2:Like what's happening now with today's kids. It's happening significantly earlier than what was going on with with us. But I'm right there with you. My girls angels love them get into their own kind of trouble but like, yeah, my son went to, we went to a play place. I want to say I'm like family day and my girl is just, you know, going down the slides, climbing up shit, no problem. Next thing I know I'm just taking videos and I go to the top and I'm like, oh, where's my son? And there's a holding the hand of another little girl as he drags her down the slide with him. Never met her, never met her. My boy's wheeling, dealing, kiss-stealing. Already he's going to turn four.
Speaker 2:Shotgun, absolutely. He's high-flying, limousine-riding, wheeling, dealing, kiss-stealing, fucking rowdy-ass son of a gun. He's turning four in May. I am terrified of the human being I am. I have apologized to his soon to be kindergarten teachers because my two kids have already gone through the kindergarten teachers and I said listen, please don't judge us on what's coming in September, because it's way different than what you just experienced for the last four years. And I'm terribly, terribly sorry because they're in for a rude awakening of what's about to come down their way. Hurricane Zane is a problem. He's a fucking problem, that's just straight up. He's a fucking problem, straight up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I have a nephew. I'm doing Uncle Dean, so I have a nephew problem Straight up. Yeah, I have some memory of being Uncle Dean, so I have a nephew. He's four and he freaks out all the time over nothing and I get to go home. And even when I stay with my brother and I wake up at, let's say, 8 in the morning, on holidays or whatever, and he's jumping around screaming it's 11 o'clock. I'm like I need a nap.
Speaker 4:This has been a trying three hours of my life like entertaining him, so I, uh I very much respect what you guys do with three children because it is tiring work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you to my wife. I mean, I show up from five o'clock to seven o'clock every night. I show up hard, and then all weekend too. So thank you to my lovely bride, she's the one that makes it happen. I do not. I changed my fair share of diapers, but that's about it. Now I have to go watch a movie with my wife. We should probably start wrapping this up. I did hit the cue music and I'm like, oh, this is a good story for Dean. I shut it off. I'm done, guys. I got to get going because I got a big event Taste of India tomorrow night, so I got to go get.
Speaker 2:Butter chicken. Yeah, a lot of butter chicken. Butter chicken, some tikka masala, some naan, some pakora, some crown royal, some chana masala.
Speaker 1:Can't wait.
Speaker 2:He's going to be smelling for three days, but the food is going to be delicious.
Speaker 1:Look at those things.
Speaker 2:I got to feed those things. Man, Are you going to be delicious? Look at those things I got, I got feed those things, man, are you going to be dressing up like Michael Scott at a?
Speaker 1:100%. Let's fucking go, buddy. Come with the head on me and everything.
Speaker 2:Can you bring it? It's bringing a dress up like a cheerleader. Oh, that would be fucking amazing, great reference.
Speaker 1:Love you, boys, all right.
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